Triturus oder Lissotritin??

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Mahlzeit

Habe eine Anfrage an die Altspezis
wie heißt der Teich- bzw Bergmolch jetz aktuell??
Sind das noch Trituruse oder neue Lissotriton und Mesotriton?

bitte Hilfe

lg w

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Hach

gerade seh ich da gabs 2005 schon mal eine Anfrage
aber egal: wärmen wir das Thema noch mal auf....

Tritus oder Lisso??

lg w

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Triturus vulgaris has changed to: Lissotriton vulgaris
Triturus alpestris has changed to: Mesotriton alpestris

[Gerald]

"Meines" Wissens ist weiterhin Triturus der korrekte Gattungname.
Mit der Meso- bzw. Lissotriton - Geschichte scheint irgendwas nicht valide zu sein, kann aber leider nicht mit der genauen Begründung dienen.

As far as I know Triturus is still / again the "correct" genus.

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Here's what I learned about it.

Some people supposed that Lissotriton and Mesotriton (as well as Ommatotriton for vittatus) were all nomina nuda. In fact, they are not, and only Lophinus (introduced by Litvinchuk instead of Lissotriton) is a nomen nudum. Given the obvious and strongly established paraphyly of the old genus Triturus s.l., this split is certainly desirable (in contrast to some other, more subjective splits of the last couple of years). Furthermore, the names appear to be valid => Lissotriton and Mesotriton are OK to be used.
This has been established with help of a.o. Darrel Frost (Amphibians Species of the World database).

g's,

J.

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Thanks to Netherlands and Belgium

What is los with the austian fachwissen?
Gibt es bei sowas gar keine Fachliteratur die solche Änderungen verkündet?
lg w

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Gibt es bei sowas gar keine Fachliteratur die solche Änderungen verkündet?

I have submitted a paper dealing with this and other taxonomy and nomenclature issues. Just hold on. g's, J.

[Gerald]

Hi,
a friend of mine (I hope he's going to answer by himself) told me that Frost is wrong in this case. I can't provide any reference as far as I don't have the time / "don't want" to delve into this topic.

Hi,

ein Bekannter hat gemeint, dass Frost im dem Fall falsch liegt. Vielleicht meldet er sich selbst zu Wort.
Ich selber muss zugeben sollte / will meine Zeit in andere Sachen investieren, die schon seit einiger Zeit ausständig sind

Sieht zugegeben ein bisserl billig aus, eine Behauptung so in den Raum zu stellen.

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a friend of mine told me that Frost is wrong in this case.

Still, I stick with my opinion, because the matter was re-investigated with the original antique papers a very short time ago. g's, J.

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Jeroen - there are several different definitions of geographic Europe. Some North Caucasian species up to the Caspian sea are included in the "Handbuch der Reptilien und Amphibien Europas" Where do you draw the border line for Euroherp?

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As mentioned on the start page, I chose to use the borders as defined in the first Arnold's field guide. In practice, it comes down to Europe without former Sovjet states. Might include them later on; there's no real valid reason for this and the Ural mnts may be a biogeographically more valid frontier (cf. borders of Western Palearctic zoogeographical zone - but that includes parts of N Africa too, if I'm correct).
g's,
J.