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"Neue" Taxonomie Molche

Beitragvon Gerald » Sa Mär 12, 2005 21:52

Entweder ich habe was verschlafen oder sonst was:

http://www.feuersalamander.com/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=701&sid=ebe61222491a7b1ff9c9f60cec144bfa

(weil gerade im feuersalamander.com Chat darüber diskutiert wird)

Sind die Namen Mesotriton usw. schon "offiziell"?

Perhaps Jeroen and the others know something ;)

Nachtrag: Im caudata.org Forum gibts auch etwas:

http://www.caudata.org/forum/messages/8/30457.html?1108030498 (thx Nikolaus)

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Re: "Neue" Taxonomie Molche

Beitragvon Gast » Mo Mär 14, 2005 19:21

Dear Gerald,
On 11th of February I received this comment from Mario García-París
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"We have recently changed the genera of the small
newts to Lissotriton (helveticus and so on) and
to Mesotriton (alpestris) but may be it is still
early to adopt the changes (although the
polyphyly of the newts seems to be well
established). REF: García-París, M.; Montori, A.
& Herrero, P. (2004): Amphibia: Lissamphibia.
Fauna Ibérica, Vol. 24. Museo Nacional de
Ciencias Naturales, CSIC. Madrid, 639 págs."
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I decided to wait a little longer before adopted this and implementing it to NeMys EUROHERP, but it seems this may be correct. Still, I haven't read the part on this book related to it and a good scientist waits for that ;-)

greetings from Belgium, where finally some amphibians activity has started, J.

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Re: "Neue" Taxonomie Molche

Beitragvon Gerald » Mo Mär 14, 2005 20:34

Dear Jeroen,

thanks a lot for your answer! - the fact, that triturus is still triturus (on euroherp) took me a little aback - so I wasn't sure if the newts-taxonomy thing is "official".

>greetings from Belgium, where finally some amphibians
>activity has started, J.

In vienna the amphibians could start "hiking" this week because of the warm temperatures since a few days ago (which will grow up to 17 degrees the next days)

muralis (muralis) were outside nearly every sunny day during the whole winter

greetings

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Re: "Neue" Taxonomie Molche

Beitragvon Gast » Do Jul 14, 2005 9:32

Dear Gerald, this is very ok!

>thanks a lot for your answer! - the fact, that triturus is >still triturus (on euroherp) took me a little aback - so I >wasn't sure if the newts-taxonomy thing is "official".

yes. thank you also many. but let me question you an ask: i also am took a much apart because me is not sure of the newtest taxonomi. is it official or because it is new.
ok. the trituris also. so i do not now know?

>greetings from Belgium, where finally some amphibians
>activity has started, J.

ok! congratulations. we alos celebrate it, because here in belgium some ampibianis activated here. yes. J.

>In vienna the amphibians could start "hiking" this week >because of the warm temperatures since a few days ago
>(which will grow up to 17 degrees the next days)

Me does not lif in wienna but i also go hiking very long in the year. i hike for exaple very long on hills and go for long time 1 hr (!) or so ok?. it is not warm all the time and i like good coffe, but so however i go hiking it was not 17 degrees the next days. i have littl childrens and some also grow up. i hope seeing some amphibians and reptils and other mammals so i can take them home and put them in my aquarium ok?. i likes this animals. also when it's not cold i go hiking long. good you like hiking also.

>muralis (muralis) were outside nearly every sunny day >during the whole winter

this is what i am talking about bro'. Me goes out also on sunny days also in the winter. of course i know. who is muralis? maybe we can meet and look for him\her together in the winter, then we can go long hiking ok?

greetings and have good long greetings

Miriam

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Re: "Neue" Taxonomie Molche

Beitragvon Gerald » Do Jul 14, 2005 15:30

Wie schallt es durch die Gänge des TGM's?

Peeeeeeeeeeeerk....

Dammit dass das Wireless Zeug keine variablen IP's vergibt ;)

PS: Nach einem Jahr im Amilande hätte ich mir ein besseres Englisch erwartet ;)

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Re: "Neue" Taxonomie Molche

Beitragvon Jeroen » Do Sep 15, 2005 14:33

In the mean time, I have adopted the new taxonomy for Triturus s.l., as have many others and this is a logical response to the clearly demonstrated paraphyletic taxon. Thus, small-bodied newts are Lissotriton (vulgaris, helveticus, montandoni, italicus, boscai), alpestris is Mesotriton and large-bodied newts remain within Triturus (vittatus, ophryticus, marmoratus, pygmaeus, cristatus, dobrogicus, karelinii, carnifex).

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